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It is not A7r, not DF. What I really want to get is this:

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 樓主| 發表於 2013-11-7 09:55:39 | 顯示全部樓層
yeah!! enjoy issa's shots so much!!

Wesley, what's your intended main use for the light?
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發表於 2013-11-7 10:02:47 | 顯示全部樓層
product and family shots only ....
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 樓主| 發表於 2013-11-7 10:11:23 | 顯示全部樓層
wesley 發表於 2013-11-7 10:02
product and family shots only ....

如果吾係多用,平平地 Alien Bees 都用得過。

我幾年前訂了Einstein,但後來production delay,我就無要了。都可以考慮。當然,it is nothing comparable to Profoto / Elinchrom / Broncolor.

http://www.paulcbuff.com/e640.php
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發表於 2013-11-7 10:18:56 | 顯示全部樓層
幾抵玩... thanks mate!!
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發表於 2013-11-7 10:32:17 | 顯示全部樓層
wesley 發表於 2013-11-7 09:50
Oh, the Profoto B600 is somehow very similar to Elinchrom Quadra... very portable

Enjoy Issa's shot ...

Thanks, Wesley.

Acute 600B is nice, but Elinchrom is much lighter and compact, it also connect to 2 heads, but output is 400w and 130w only, which is not very usable under daylight.
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發表於 2013-11-7 10:34:46 | 顯示全部樓層
Jason 發表於 2013-11-7 10:11
如果吾係多用,平平地 Alien Bees 都用得過。

我幾年前訂了Einstein,但後來production delay,我就無要 ...

Thanks, Jason!

I only rented 600B, it's cheap, only $550 for a weekend. (pickup on Sat, return on Mon morning) With Air, it's $80 more. The battery pack has receiver built-in too.

However, using this kind of light, I had 2 assistants to handle it.

Last time in studio, I had 8 broncolor heads Let me share the final photos after it released.
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 樓主| 發表於 2013-11-7 11:12:17 | 顯示全部樓層
issa918 發表於 2013-11-7 10:34
Thanks, Jason!

I only rented 600B, it's cheap, only $550 for a weekend. (pickup on Sat, return on  ...

$550 for a weekend is a good deal!!

that is one of the reason i like profoto. because it is compatible with pocket wizard, the shooting process can be quite seamless.

looking forward to your pics done by broncolor!
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發表於 2013-11-7 11:17:24 | 顯示全部樓層
issa918 發表於 2013-11-7 10:34
Thanks, Jason!

I only rented 600B, it's cheap, only $550 for a weekend. (pickup on Sat, return on  ...

Look forward to your photos!

The problem with these lights is that you need a crew to handle them both in studio and outdoors, particularly when you have more than one...  Also, it takes many hours to set the lighting right before shooting
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 樓主| 發表於 2013-11-7 11:51:57 | 顯示全部樓層
yes. that's true.
but if using one light set up. actually it is not that difficult. 15 min can do it. but certainly you need a lot of practice to get familiar with the setting.

doing light is another aspect of photography.

to me, there are three aspects of photography. 1) capture, 2) development and process, 3) lighting.
i think lighting is the last and most difficult part.
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發表於 2013-11-7 12:00:06 | 顯示全部樓層
to me, 3 process:
1. Create 2. Develop/Process 3. Presentation
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 樓主| 發表於 2013-11-7 12:00:59 | 顯示全部樓層
This is another light i can recommend from Alien Bees:
http://www.paulcbuff.com/abr800.php

It is a 320ws ringflash. Usually ringflash are very expensive, either from Profoto or Bron. This one is merely 400USD. I have it and I think the quality is good enough.The clamping mechanism is not perfect, but usuable. Ringflash always create a unique kind of look. I know many people in hk now using ringflash modifiers on speedlights, such as Orbis, Rayflash, or Roundflash. I have them too. The advantage of them is portability. But they just don't have enough power. usually only good enough for head shots, ISO 400, f/4. But for portrait / fashion shooting, i will want ISO100 f/8 or f/16.

i don't have my images taken by it now. so i found some samples from the internet:

http://photo.net/photography-news-forum/00KPXA?start=10
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 樓主| 發表於 2013-11-7 12:12:19 | 顯示全部樓層
wesley 發表於 2013-11-7 12:00
to me, 3 process:
1. Create 2. Develop/Process 3. Presentation

i agree. selection and presentation are very important too.
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發表於 2013-11-7 14:27:36 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 vincecharus 於 2013-11-7 17:16 編輯
Jason 發表於 2013-11-7 12:00
This is another light i can recommend from Alien Bees:
http://www.paulcbuff.com/abr800.php

This one too harsh. The end result does not justify the efforts to use such outlandish equipment.  I honestly can't see why the same can't be done with an enthusiast-grade CaNikon APSC DSLR with built-in flash, perhaps with a diffuser cellotaped.  (懶系 high contrast 同用盡個 dynamic range, really bad taste!)

It's really because these lights are so damn hard to use, and unless you use them right you're better off without them in the first place, that I opt not to use artificial light 99.5% of the time.  Artificial lights are really for dedicated professionals, not for amateurs (like me) who doesn't shoot every day for jobs that must be delivered.

Most people who are really good at these things end up working as cinematographers, who spend hours lighting a scene right.

In my experience, plenty of HK "professionals" using lights and assistants are 得個樣 and 扼錢 and only put up monkey shows to impress clients, who can't tell good photos from bad photos.
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發表於 2013-11-7 14:34:57 | 顯示全部樓層
Jason 發表於 2013-11-7 12:00
This is another light i can recommend from Alien Bees:
http://www.paulcbuff.com/abr800.php

This sample very bad... cropping is too tight... 2 steps away pls...
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 樓主| 發表於 2013-11-7 19:07:11 | 顯示全部樓層
wesley 發表於 2013-11-7 14:34
This sample very bad... cropping is too tight... 2 steps away pls...

i concur...
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發表於 2013-11-8 10:53:09 | 顯示全部樓層
Personally I don't like Ring Flash, it's more a hype to me. But I don't mind to try when have chance. I much enjoy light modifiers when using strobe.
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 樓主| 發表於 2013-11-8 11:04:41 | 顯示全部樓層
issa918 發表於 2013-11-8 10:53
Personally I don't like Ring Flash, it's more a hype to me. But I don't mind to try when have chance ...

yes. ringflash has a unique, but also quite monotonous look.

you are a 高手 la
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發表於 2013-11-8 11:49:12 | 顯示全部樓層
Go Issa Go!

don't forget the Otus 55 Jason!
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發表於 2013-11-8 12:39:18 | 顯示全部樓層
you 2 buy Otus and Profoto, I don't have budget after my latest purchase..
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 樓主| 發表於 2013-11-8 13:01:53 | 顯示全部樓層
issa918 發表於 2013-11-8 12:39
you 2 buy Otus and Profoto, I don't have budget after my latest purchase..

you make me wonder what your "latest purchase" is
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